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WHAT DID KRISHNAMURTI THINK ABOUT OSHO?


 
 
The researcher Galaxio, who has studied Krishnamurti extensively, commented on this matter as follows:
 
« I remember that Osho's followers used to say that there were only two masters in the world: Osho and Krishnamurti. Osho himself said this, because before becoming a guru, he had been a reader of Krishnamurti, and in fact, he is one of the first and foremost thieves of Krishnamurti's teachings.
 
But Krishnamurti had a different opinion of Osho; first, he went through various classifications of him as a false teacher and ended up calling him "evil."
 
When Osho heard of Krishnamurti's rejection, he probably flew into a rage and began to speak disparagingly of Krishnamurti. »
 
 
 
 
It would have been good if Galaxio had provided the references so that they could be transcribed verbatim, but that Krishnamurti felt an enormous repudiation towards Osho has been corroborated by Hugh Milne, who was Osho's bodyguard, and who in his book "Bhagwan, the god who failed" recounted the following anecdote:
 
 
« During the month I spent working in Zurich I met Deeksha (a former disciple of Osho) who in her distress she had sought out Krishnamurti, the only person whom Bhagwan recognized as an equal. 
 
(Cid's note: Before the scandal he caused in the United States and which forced him to leave that country, Osho called himself Bhagwan, which in India is one of the names used to designate God.)
 
Krishnamurti had no time for Bhagwan and was particularly opposed to the use of the word Bhagwan (God).
 
“No one but God Himself should use that title,” Deeksha claimed Krishnamurti told her.
 
And also that Krishnamurti added:
 
“I've received hundreds of letters from all over the world asking why I don't speak out publicly against this man, but I will not, as it is not my way.
 
However, I reveal to you that this man is a criminal. You must understand this very clearly. What he is doing to people in the name of spirituality is a crime. Because no one should surrender to another human being, and besides, he is simply a human being.
 
The main manifestation of consciousness in a human is his ability to make decisions for himself.
 
You made a big mistake by giving that man so much power for twelve years, but understand this: no man has power except the power his followers give him, and that's why he needs people around him all the time, and the more the better, according to him.
. . .
When Krishnamurti called Bhagwan a criminal, I suspected that he did not mean disobedience of civil laws, but rather misuse of psychic and hypnotic powers. »
(Caliban Books, London 1986, p.275-276)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
OBSERVATION
 
From everything I have studied about Jiddu Krishnamurti, I get the impression that Krishnamurti did indeed express this opinion, and I fully agree with what he said. And I also agree with Hugh Milne when he considers that Krishnamurti accused Osho of being a criminal because of the psychic, emotional, and mental manipulation that he exerted on his followers.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

A VERY FAMOUS GURU VISITED KRISHNAMURTI

 
 
  
 
In an interview with Krishnamurti, he mentioned that a very famous guru came to visit him, and in the following video Krishnamurti recounts the conversation they had then:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
WHO WAS THAT GURU?
 
Krishnamurti did not reveal the name of this guru, but he indicated that this guru loved Rolls-Royce luxury cars, and that he had thousands of followers, many of them Europeans and Americans, and that he made a whole circus out of them.
 
With this description the guru that comes to my mind is Osho because he fits this description very well, as Osho had over 90 Rolls-Royces and made quite a spectacle in his communities full of Westerners.
 
However, there are two details that do not add up: Krishnamurti said that this guru was a monk and that this guru relied on the Bhagavad Gita to claim his supposed spiritual enlightenment, but it turns out that Osho was neither a monk nor did he rely on the Bhagabad Gita; in addition, Osho stated that he never met Krishnamurti.
 
But Osho may have lied and he may have met Krishnamurti, and Krishnamurti may have been wrong about those two details.
 
However, that guru may also have been Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who was a Hindu religious figure, and although he was not as much of a circus as Osho, he also liked Rolls-Royces and was nicknamed “the Beatles' guru,” which is why he also had many Western followers.
 
Or it could have been another guru, but the two above are the most likely.
 
And both Osho and Maharishi were very arrogant, very megalomaniacal, and very intolerant of any criticism against them, so I see it as very likely that if either of those two gurus went to visit Krishnamurti; when Krishnamurti degraded him from his idolatry, this guru would have been offended and acted in that way, despising Krishnamurti and leaving.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

THE INVESTIGATIONS MADE BY WIN MCCORMACK ABOUT OSHO




Win McCormack is a renowned American journalist from the state of Oregon, that is, precisely the state where took place the conflicts with the Osho community and the United States, and therefore he was able to investigate this organization very closely, interviewing witnesses, analyzing the trials and following the events that took place.

The investigative coverage made by McCormack and his equip of the Rajneeshee movement was awarded a William Allen White Commendation from the University of Kansas and the City and Regional Magazine Association.

And later, in the year 1987, Win McCormack published the book “The Rajneesh Chronicles“, which is a compilation of the articles they wrote.






About this book, Win McCormack says:

« The Rajneesh Chronicles is a collection of in-depth investigative articles, originally published in Oregon Magazine, covering the time from the cult’s arrival in Oregon in 1981 to its dramatic disintegration at the end of 1985. This second edition of the definitive text on the Rajneesh cult includes an introductory chronology that extends the story up to the present time.

While most press treated the cult’s antics as a humorous sideshow typified by the Bhagwan’s dozens of Rolls-Royces, Oregon Magazine's editor-in-chief Win McCormack and the magazine’s other writers systematically exposed the full range of the Rajneeshees’ depraved behavior, including their involvement in prostitution and international drug smuggling, sexual exploitation of children, attempted poisoning of local government officials and over 700 voters, abuse of the homeless, and the use of brainwashing techniques that bordered on torture.

The tale of the Rajneesh has become an amorphous legend few inside or outside of Oregon actually understand. The Rajneesh Chronicles fully illuminates the shocking reality behind that legend»





And Win McCormack also posted several of those articles on the internet that you can read (here).

·        Bhagwan’s Devious Trap
·        Memoirs of an Ex-Sannyasin
·        Bhagwan’s Death Wish
·        Antelope’s Last Stand
·        Range War: The Disciples Come to Antelope
·        A Mind’s Eye View of 1984
·        The Human Potential Movement Gone Awry
·        Bhagwan’s Jewish Problem
·        A Beautiful Place for an Ashram
·        Valley of Death? The Rajneesh Cult Turns to Arms
·        The Attempted Takeover of Wasco County
·        Bhagwan’s Bottom Line
·        Bhagwan’s Final Year
·        Bhagwan’s Sexism
·        Bhagwan’s Mind Control
·        Last Year at Rajneeshpuram?
·        Rajneesh’s Police State
·        The Rise and Fall of the Rajneesh Cult
·        Bhagwan’s Rich Folk
·        Outside the Limits of the Human Imagination














THE OSHO’S VICTIMS THAT NOBODY TALKS



 
Living in the ashram in Pune, Indian was not cheap, and when Osho followers ran out of money, the leaders indirectly encouraged them to prostitute themselves or smuggle drugs.
 
Several of them were arrested and here is a summary of the trial of a young Swedish woman named Maria Kristina Koppel, which took place in 1980 in England.
 
His defense attorney, Mr. W. Taylor, began by saying:
 
“My extensive inquiries show that the man out in Pune, called Bhagwan, is nothing short of an evil man, using a lot of young people ... and reducing their mentality to such a position it becomes no more and no less than putty in his hands. He does it for money, and he uses these girls as a front for smuggling drugs all over the world. Over a period of time these young women, or young men, have their personalities reduced to nothing, their past is forgotten, and suggestions are put to them and they would do anything that this man tells them to do.”
 
 
Taylor then called to the stand an expert on Hinduism and Eastern religions who had done research on the Rajneesh group, Professor Johannes Aagard. He gave the following testimony:
 
In Pune, Bhagwan and his people, not least his group of high-ranking officers, have established an alternative world. He gives them a mala with his own picture on it, and they get a piece of his hair, connecting their reality with his. From the beginning the aim is to do away with the mind, the personality, the memory. You end up being nobody. You have to give up your ego. You have to empty yourself totally to surrender to Bhagwan.
 
‘Total surrender’ are the key words. This is done by a series of humiliating acts where you are forced to do what you hate to do in the group. You lose the identity feeling which is connected with certain acts, certain reservations, certain sexual inhibitions. In a number of those workshops promiscuity takes place in the most rude and horrible ways. Male persons are allowed to do whatever they like with females, and vice versa, and it aims at bringing down the consciousness connected with the individual in order that a new consciousness connected with Bhagwan and his ideology take its place.”
 
 
Then the lawyer presented a document that Maria Kristina's mother had given him and in which she reported that her daughter had told her the following about the experiences she had in a Tantra group within the Osho community:
 
« Kristina was commanded to have sexual intercourse with every man in the group in turn, in order to “kill her ego.” And as the group leader found that Kristina was hesitating, she shouted at her:
 
-         “If you are to surrender to Bhagwan, you must surrender to anybody here, to any man although the mere thought of it makes you sick —you are not to think— just let it happen!” »
 
 
Then Mr. Taylor asked Professor Agaard the following question:
 
     -   And what is left at the end of the day?”
 
To which the professor replied:
 
     -   “The will of Bhagwan.”
 
 
Then a prosecutor, Mr. C. Hilliard, asked Professor Agaard:
 
-         “After a person has had this process administered to them, do they know what they are doing?”
 
To which the professor replied:
 
-         “I must say that they are observing as a witness, as a spectator, everything they are doing. What is acting is not them. They are only witnessing an action, and therefore you can murder, but you are not a murderer. You can steal, but you are not a thief.”
 
Hilliard: Does Bhagwan say who is a thief, and who is a murderer?
 
Aagard: It is the mind, and the mind is an illusion. Therefore the act of stealing and murdering is an illusion.
 
 
Then Mr. Taylor called to the stand Doctor Joan Gomez, a psychiatrist from the University of London who had examined Koppel.
 
Taylor: Do you think this young woman knew, when she was asked to bring the cannabis into this country, the difference between right and wrong?
 
Gomez: I do not know about right and wrong, but I am quite sure she did not know it was against the law. I am sure if Bhagwan said it was all right, it was just like God saying it.
 
Taylor: And did she have an alternative?
 
Gomez: I do not think it would have been possible for her to opt out at all. Even intellectually she could not, because the alternative was very horrible. She had to get money to go back to him. One way was prostitution, the other was cannabis.
 
 
Mr. Taylor ended his presentation by pleading with the court not to send his client to jail, saying:
 
-         “That will kill her mind, and all she will do when she comes out is to go back to this sick and sad community.”
 
Judge J. Murchie gave Koppel a 15-month suspended sentence.
 
 
 
A similar trial took place that same year against a young woman named Margot Gordon in Paris. Her lawyer, Mr Philippe Boulanger, argued in a similar way that young Margot had been psychologically coerced into smuggling cannabis from India into Europe by the Rajneesh sect.
 
But there the judge was less compassionate and Margot received an eight-month jail sentence plus an additional 16-month suspended sentence and fined £ 10,000.
 
 
~ * ~
 
These two women I mentioned above were two cases reported by journalist Win McCormack (see link), but there were many more lawsuits that occurred in various countries in Europe, and also in the United States and Canada. Women and men who were caught smuggling drugs because they had become Osho's puppets, and trafficking drugs or prostitution were the only ways they had to continue to pay for their stay in India.
 
And these were the unknown victims of Osho that nobody talks about, but that show how monstrous Osho was, who behind his facade of "spiritual guide" manipulated his followers to continue getting richer and richer, and when his sannyasins were caught He did not care about them at all since he had many other indoctrinates to replace them.