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TALIA BEY WAS ONE OF CARLOS CASTANEDA'S DISCIPLES WHO DISAPPEARED





Her Early Years

Her original name is Amalia Montserrat Márquez Marín.

She was born on April 4, 1955, in Puerto Rico.

Amalia was part of a group of girls who grew up together in the same family, with many cousins ​​and a brother.

Her cousin Sara Gutiérrez remembers that from a very young age, Amalia demonstrated an energetic and independent character.

Amalia was also intelligent. She graduated from high school a year ahead of her classmates. She traveled alone on the Amazon River. She had a keen business sense and was generally well-liked by those who knew her.




Joining Castaneda's Group

Amalia had read Castaneda's books and, fascinated, moved to Los Angeles in the early 1990s to join Castaneda's inner circle.

Amalia became the president of Cleargreen, the organization Castaneda founded in 1995 to market his teachings.

Castaneda asked his personal students to change their names, and she changed hers to Talia Bey.

Castaneda also asked his personal disciples to sever ties with their family and friends, and she obeyed that as well.

Sara felt immense affection for her cousin, which is why she named her daughter Amalia. Amalia was born just as her cousin was becoming increasingly involved in Castaneda's cult.

A card congratulating Sara on the birth of her daughter was one of the last times she heard from her.

« Sarita,

Congratulations on the ‘new kid on the block’-Amalia. This is to wish you and your family the best of all and to Amalia a very warm welcome to the world. Knowing she is in good hands may her life be full of beautiful and peaceful things. Take care, always,

Amalia. »


A few years later, Amalia would call her mother and ask for all the family photos in which she appeared. She wanted to destroy them, as that was another of Castaneda's directives: erase the past.

It was then that the family realized Amalia wasn't just working and traveling with an unreliable group, but that something was wrong.

Some time later, when Amalia's father was dying, he desperately wanted to hear his daughter's voice one last time. A call to Cleargreen was answered by an unknown person, who simply said, "She knows her father is dying," and nothing more.

Amy Wallace, a person close to Castaneda who wrote a book about her experience within this sect titled 'The Witch's Apprentice,' recalled how Castaneda ridiculed Amalia for being too close to his family after the phone call about her father.

According to Castaneda, her personal relationships were a burden she had to get rid of if she wanted to become a shamanic warrior.




What happened after Castaneda's death

When Castaneda died on April 27, 1998, Amalia/Talia and four other women very close to him disappeared.

It is suspected that they committed suicide.






PHOTOS

Photo probably taken by her family when she was very young.





The following photo was taken when she was already a disciple of Castaneda. He required his recruits/lovers to have a masculine appearance with very short hair.











TALIA BEY'S FAMILY SEARCHED FOR HER AFTER SHE DISAPPEARED





TTalia Bey (whose original name was Amalia) was one of the five women very close to Carlos Castaneda who disappeared after the writer's death.

When Talia's family learned of her disappearance, they tried to find her, but the police obstructed their efforts.




The initial attempt made by Talia's brother

When Talia's brother learned that his sister was among the missing women, he contacted the police. He wanted the detectives to conduct a search, but the police ignored him.

Regarding this matter, journalist Matt Ward commented:

« Amalia’s younger brother, Luis Marquez, himself a former Castaneda follower, says nobody would help him until Partin was identified.

“After Carlos Castaneda died, they kept his death secret for three or four months. I don’t know how long. Then it came out in the news that he had died. Maybe three months before. That’s how we found out. We tried to reach Amalia, my sister. But she wasn’t available anywhere. Later, maybe a year later or so, some people called and told us all the women had disappeared. They might have killed themselves. So we immediately went to Los Angeles and we tried to approach Cleargreen ... Nobody wanted to help.”

Cleargreen is the name of a for-profit organization founded in 1995 by Castaneda and his followers. The company travels around the world hosting seminars and lectures and teaching Tensegrity, a catalogue of ritualistic, new age body movements, similar to Tai Chi. Calls to Cleargreen for comment on this story were not returned. Before her disappearance, Amalia was president of Cleargreen.

Luis eventually turned to the Los Angeles Police Department for help, almost to no avail.

“We tried to file a missing persons report a few times and they didn’t want to do it,” he said. “They took it, many years after they went missing. It was a big fight.”

The slowness of authorities to treat the women’s disappearances seriously may have permanently damaged any chance the family has of closure, Luis said.

“They have made any possible investigation useless because of the time that has gone by. So much time has gone by, I hardly think anything can be done,” he said. »






The subsequent attempt by two of Talia's cousins

The later discovery in Death Valley of skeletal remains belonging to one of the missing women (Nury Alexander, Castaneda's adopted daughter) prompted Talia's family to conduct a search in the region to try to find Talia's remains as well, but the police and park rangers prevented them from doing so.

Journalist Matt Ward wrote an article about this event, which was published on April 11, 2014, in the 'Pahrump Valley Times', and I have translated a portion of this article below:


« Family members are pressing for the reopening of the search for a member of a Californian sect who disappeared in 1998.

Her mother named her Amalia. New age guru Carlos Castaneda named her Talia Bey.

Her mother gave her life. The literary hoaxer turned cult leader’s final gift was most likely death.

At least this is the conclusion some of Amalia Marquez’s family members are just now reaching, 16 years after she disappeared from Southern California along with three other still-missing women, Castaneda’s “witches.”

A fifth woman’s remains were discovered in Death Valley in 2003. She, too, was intimately connected to Castaneda, who christened her his “Blue Scout.”

Amalia would have turned 59 last Friday. An eerie coincidence to be sure. Because on her birthday two of her cousins, David Marin and Sarah Gutierrez, checked into a room at the Panamint Springs Resort, which sits along California’s State Route 190 on the southern edge of Death Valley National Park.

They hoped to spend the following day searching for their cousin’s remains in the expanse of desert nearby, joined by a New York writer named Robert Marshall and Jennifer Stalvey, a private investigator who specializes in infiltrating cults.

The search never happened. Miscommunications with park service honchos and the Inyo County Sheriff’s Office turned what seemed to be a well-planned, months-long effort into an exercise in bureaucratic frustration on one level, sweet catharsis on another.

She disappeared days after Castaneda died of complications of liver cancer on April 27, 1998. She took his ashes with her.

“He was supposed to turn into a ball of light, burn from within and go up to heaven. He got liver cancer and instead of burning from within he died and was burned from without at the Culver City (California) mortuary,” says Marshall, who wrote a 2007 story about Castaneda’s dark legacy for Salon.com.

Marshall is working on a biography of the man, loved by millions in the 1970s for a series of books about the teachings of a Yaqui Indian sorcerer, Don Juan Matus.


Castaneda forced his closest followers to go by aliases and distance themselves from their families; the tactic has served to complicate efforts to find the missing women.

Amalia’s cousins reached out to Marshall last fall when Marin found his story in a Google search.

“I sent an email to Robert saying I’m a cousin, is there any news and he said no, but I really wish they would have searched that mine. I sent an email and said what mine and he said this mine. Within 72 hours I contacted the park service, the sheriff’s office, the search dogs people and started looking for miners, because search and rescue in Inyo County blew me off when I contacted them,” Marin says.

The group was especially looking to search the Big Four mine, an abandoned enterprise that sits at the base of Panamint Butte. A dirt road off State Route 190 runs through a sandy-colored dry lakebed for several miles, past the blackness of Lake Rock, dead-ending at the lower portion of the mine.

The Panamint Dunes rise above the valley floor a few more miles away. It was on the edge of these dunes that hikers discovered skeletal remains in 2003, five years after a red Ford Escort was found abandoned at the end of that lonesome dirt road leading to the Big Four.

It wasn’t until 2006 that DNA testing confirmed that it was Partin’s bones that were found. It was her car, too. Even though authorities learned after Partin was positively identified that she’d disappeared with four other women, no official search for the remains of the others was ever done. Even getting Amalia listed as a missing person was a battle from the start.


Amalia’s family’s focus on the Big Four stems from a photo a hiker posted online. It appears to be a makeshift shrine — a circle of rocks that resembles a campfire ring with multicolored glass shards laid out in equal colored parts; five colors for five women — at the entrance to the mine. Could it be where Amalia and the other women consummated a suicide pact?

One experienced park ranger, David Brenner, who happened to have found Partin’s car in 1998, doesn’t believe it. He sat down with Marin and his sister and explained how the mines in the area are abandoned, but almost continuously explored by spelunkers, government mine mappers and trespassers. He says the mines in that area have been searched hundreds of times.

“To be honest, the Big Four Mine isn’t even that big,” he told the group.

Marin says while he appreciates Brenner’s assistance, he’s discouraged by what he calls contradictory information from park service employees.

“Here’s the challenge that we have. We have two members of the park service who say two completely opposite things. The one who helped me initially says, yeah, explore the mines, and shafts are a great place to disappear. David Brenner says the mines have already been explored hundreds of times and the shafts aren’t even vertical. We seek out the opinions of experts and they tell us two opposite things,” he said.

Marston Motweiller, a retired Inyo County Sheriff’s investigator who worked Partin’s case, told Marin that the mines should be searched. When Marin initially reached out to Inyo County authorities a few months ago, they seemed to agree, assigning a detective named Dan Williams to the case. Williams was gung-ho about solving the mystery.

By the time Marin and Gutierrez were prepared to travel to Death Valley, that enthusiasm had dissipated. Inyo County Sheriff Bill Lutze appears to have pulled the plug on any effort.

In an email sent to members of their party shortly before they arrived, he disputed Marin’s version of events.

“All contacts made included inquiries only — no definitive requests for assistance were made prior to March 28th. Mr. Marin was contacted by Undersheriff Keith Hardcastle on March 31st, 2014, and Marin explained his request. Mr. Marin was advised that the Sheriff’s Office did not have an open case or any missing person’s cases fitting the description he provided,” the sheriff wrote.

Providing a brief glimmer of hope, the sheriff confirmed he would share information with the park service after a review of the pertinent case files.

Asked via email why the sheriff’s office never searched the area for the other missing women after Partin’s remains were finally identified, Lutze didn’t respond. No one from Inyo County showed up last week to explain their position in person. A request for comment was left with Williams for this story but was also ignored.

A spokesperson for Death Valley’s Chief Park Ranger Karen McKinley Jones confirmed that Marin had spoken to a park service employee about searching the mines but that the employee’s version of the conversation did not match Marin’s. The spokesperson said no one in the park service would ever advise anyone to go into an abandoned mine for safety reasons.

Jones and other park rangers met with Marin and his sister for several hours, explaining that without the proper permits they could not conduct any type of search. But the rangers did provide the group a roadmap for acquiring permits, a seemingly daunting task once laid out.

Brenner suggested the group get a permit to use a drone to search the area for more of Partin’s remains — not all of her was found — though clearance from the Federal Aviation Administration would likely be required.

Marin and Gutierrez were grateful for the advice, but a sense of hopelessness quickly set in.

“The whole experience was emotionally blanching,” Marin said.

Now the group is weighing its options, which include filing for the required permits, or taking a different tack altogether, including tracking down former and current Castaneda and Cleargreen members who may know what happened.

“Robert (Marshall) thinks there are probably at least five people who know what happened. But getting them to tell you the truth is the problem,” Marin said. »










FIVE WOMEN VERY CLOSE TO CARLOS CASTANEDA DISAPPEARED AFTER HIS DEATH




Carlos Castaneda died on April 27, 1998, and shortly afterward, five of the women closest to him disappeared. They were:



Nury Alexander, Castaneda's adopted daughter





Taisha Abelar, one of Castaneda's witches





Florinda Donner, another of Castaneda's witches






Talia Bey, the president of Cleargreen, the company Castaneda founded to market his teachings





Kylie Lundahl, the leader of tensegrity instructors





Since then, nothing more has been heard of them, with the exception of Nury, whose skeletal remains were found in Death Valley.

The only woman very close to Castaneda who did not disappear was Carol Tiggs ("the nahual woman" and Castaneda's partner).





The strange behavior these women exhibited before Castaneda's death

In early 1998, Castaneda's health deteriorated rapidly due to liver cancer that was killing him.

The women most loyal to Castaneda, sensing that their guru's end was near, began to behave strangely.

On this matter, journalist Geoffrey Gray commented:

« Kylie appeared to be actively involved in helping some of her companions plan their departure from this world. With Castaneda's death imminent, she and other members considered purchasing a massive boat.

According to one correspondence from the group, they were looking to spend around $400'000 for a cargo/crew vessel that was 100 to 200 feet long, with a range of 10'000 miles and unlimited navigational capability.

To prepare for the voyage, Ahlvers purchased a handful of books, receipts from Barnes & Noble later showed, studying up on how to survive —at least temporarily— the high seas. Among the titles she picked out: 'Sea Vegetables: Harvesting Guide & Cookbook', 'Fishing for Sharks', 'Shark Liver Oil', 'Good Food Afloat', 'The Care and Feeding of the Offshore Crew'.


Meantime, the idea of guns —or at least talk of using them— arose. According to Amy, the compound buzzed with Carol’s confession that these womwn had acquired firearms to carry out a suicide pact after Castaneda died.

“What? Guns?!” one follower said, according to Amy. “Suicide? I refuse to believe that…just can’t imagine it. If they go poof! in front of me, and burn like they’ve always said, that’s one thing – but guns?!” »



Richard Jennings was a student of Castaneda during his later years, and he commented as follows:

« I was present when Kylie and Talia told us several times that they were looking for abandoned mines and similar places where they could disappear if they didn't achieve their ultimate goal of transcending death (and also minimize the possibility of their remains being found after committing suicide). »



Amy Wallace was a close friend of Castaneda's women, and she recounted the following event:

« Florinda Donner called me to ask if Kylie could come and burn her papers in the fireplace I had in my house.

I said yes, Kylie arrived and explained: "It takes so long with the shredder."

She only had one bag, so I took her to the small fireplace and while I helped her throw the papers into the flames, I watched as the printer's proofs of Castaneda's books and Kylie's personal papers (poetry, drawings, and a diary) burned.

I asked Kylie how she felt about it.

She told me, "I know exactly what to do. If I don't go with him, I'll do what I have to do. It's too late for us to stay in this world; I think you know exactly what I mean. It's been too late for a long time."

I told her that Carol had asked Bruce and me to help her stay, and I explained that I had given my word to Carol.

Kylie nodded and replied, "Yes, I heard something about it. The nahual doesn't care, and Taisha doesn't care anymore. But Florinda is upset. She's not taking it well; she wants Carol to leave too."

Kylie told me she was worried about suicides among the others in the group. "We told the nahual we were very worried about it. He said, 'What?' as if they didn't know what we were talking about."

Then she continued, "So we asked him if he wanted the workshops to continue. He said, 'I don't give a damn; if you want them, fine; if not, forget them. I don't care at all.' "

Kylie shook her head and added, "We convinced him he had to give them something to do because otherwise they really might commit suicide. So he issued instructions: he gave Darien, Aerin, Nyei, and Reni tasks, telling them to continue with the workshops. But he doesn't care about Cleargreen or the seminars. So Carol chose Reni as the new president of Cleargreen. Talia is going to tell her."

I told her, "That's good."

Kylie replied to me: "What else were they going to do? I'm surprised the Nahual didn't foresee the great risk this entails."

Then Kylie thanked me and told me she loved me. When she hugged me, she lifted me in her arms, as she had done before, and that's when I knew it was her last hug. »





Carol's Confession

In the weeks following Castaneda's death, Carol told Amy that Florinda, Taisha, Kylie, and Talia had committed suicide. She also said Nury had called her desperately from a motel in Death Valley. And she also described to Amy the last conversation she had with Florinda:

« Florinda was getting ready to leave. She didn't show any affection towards me, not even an 'I love you,' nothing. She was very cruel. Suddenly, at the door, she turns to me and says:

"Carol, were you ever jealous of the Nahual and his other women?"

I replied, "No, Florinda, I didn't have any. I had other problems with him, believe me, but that wasn't one of them. I'm not jealous. I mean, listen, after all, I was the number two pimp."

Then Florinda smiled and said, "Well... he had many women, you know?"

And I thought to myself, "Now she wants to go to confession?"

She added, "I was just curious," and turned and left. Not a hug, not a kiss, not a thank you, not a goodbye, nothing. »






Richard's opinion

On his website  SustainedAction.org, he commented on this matter as follows:

« According to reliable sources, none of the other four women have been seen or heard from according to any reliable accounts since the two Ford vehicles they were driving (Taisha and Florinda in Taisha’s Ford Aerostar; Kylie and Talia in Kylie’s four-door red Taurus) left the Westwood compound in April 1998.

Although the four were primary beneficiaries under Castaneda’s will, the estate executor, Deborah Drooz (Castaneda’s lawyer) confirmed to Talia’s persistent brother, Luis Marquez, years after Castaneda’s death that she had not had any contact with the four and that none of them had received any of the money they would have been due under the will.

Amy Wallace and I were both convinced the four had headed east to an abandoned mine in or around Death Valley, or possibly further east in Nevada, that they had previously identified as a place they could commit suicide and ensure their remains would not be found.

This is based not only on what we heard directly from Castaneda during night and Sunday sessions regarding research and plans Talia and others had made, but also on Amy’s interactions with Taisha, Florinda and Kylie in the days leading up to Castaneda’s demise and both of our dealings with Carol Tiggs and others at Cleargreen in the weeks following his death.

Nury failed to join them when they headed out but followed a day or two later and ended up driving to where her red Ford Escort was subsequently found, days later.


In 2014, family members of Talia met Ru Marshall and a private investigator in Death Valley to search a mine located near where Nury’s remains were found for the other four missing women: Parumph Valley Times story. They were blocked from doing so by a park ranger who claimed they hadn’t followed the proper procedures.

From my trip to Death Valley in May 1998, after I learned where Nury’s car had been found and based on having heard from Castaneda about the research into abandoned mines that Talia and others had done, I felt confident–after having studied maps of the park and talked with park rangers–that there were no suitable locations where human remains were likely to be left undisturbed due to the park’s heavy traffic by sightseers and hikers.

My theory at that point was, and remains, that the missing women had continued on to a much more remote location, most likely in Nevada, to carry out their group suicide.

Meanwhile, Carol and Cleargreen continued to lie and obfuscate about the fates of the missing women for years, as summarized here.


Nonetheless, some family members of the missing women, as well as others who were involved with the group, understandably hold out hope they are still alive, albeit without having received support all these years from Castaneda’s estate.

At the least, family members and others, like me, who loved and admired the women hope their remains might one day be found, to help bring some closure to this specially painful aspect of the Castaneda phenomenon. Toward that end, Ru Marshall helped family members set up a website soliciting leads and other support for locating them. »


Here is the link to this site: 4 Missing Women





What did they do?

Some theorize that they went to live somewhere else, but I find this posibility very unlikely because then they would have taken their share of the inheritance; and most likely they committed suicide, and did so in a hidden place where their bodies could not be found.

Nury was Castaneda's disdainful, petulant, and spoiled child; the others didn't like her, and that's why they sent her to Death Valley so she wouldn't bother them. And the reason why Nury died in this desert is explained in this other chapter (see link).  






OBSERVATION

And this shows how manipulative and Machiavellian Carlos Castaneda was, who intended to turn his disciples into free beings, but as far as his closest female disciples were concerned, he transformed them into beings so dependent on him that when Castaneda died, these women, despite inheriting large sums of money and still having many years to live, she preferred to die rather than continue being on this Earth without their "Nahual".









CARLOS CASTANEDA'S WITCHES



Between 1960 and 1971, four women who had supposedly also been students of Don Juan joined Carlos Castaneda and stayed with him until the end of his life.



JOANIE BARKER



The first was Joanie Barker, who worked at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) as library and became Castaneda's first disciple-lover in 1960. At this time, Castaneda was studying at that university.





TAISHA ABELAR



The second was Taisha Abelar, who met Castaneda around 1964 when she was 19 and he was 39. At this time, they were both studying at UCLA.

Taisha's mother commented that her daughter had become romantically involved with a much older man, whom her daughter affectionately called "her teacher".

At this time Taisha lived with her sister Agnes, who also disapproved this relationship, and after several arguments about it, Taisha moved out one day and never returned.





FLORINDA DONNER



Castaneda continued his studies at UCLA where he was preparing his doctorate in anthropology, and five years later, in 1971, he met another woman at that university: Florinda Donner, who at this time was 27 years old and he was 45 years old.

Florinda was married but a few months later she got divorced and shortly afterwards she went to live with Castaneda Joanie and Taisha.






CAROL TIGGS



The fourth woman was Carol Tiggs, who had a boyfriend who was part of Castaneda's inner circle, and between 1970 and 1971 he introduced her to Castaneda.

Carol was 23 at this time, and Castaneda was 44 or 45. They began an affair, but in 1973 Carol decided to break up with Castaneda.

Ten years later, in 1983, Carol met Castaneda again and, to convince her to rejoin his harem, he promised to make her his official partner: "the nahual woman".

Carol agreed, but the other did not like the decision to make Carol their superior since they had been living with Castaneda for much longer, but they did not dare to contradict their boss.






Castaneda reveals the existence of his witches



Castaneda had kept these women a secret, but after Carol returned to him, he began to reveal them, first to his inner circle of students, and later also to the public (with the exception of Joanie).

Castaneda's followers called them "the witches".

Castaneda, his witches, and other personal students of Castaneda, claimed that Joanie, Taisha, Florinda, and Carol also met Don Juan, who made them his disciples and initiated them by that nahual.

And Don Juan, before leaving, placed them under the direction of Castaneda, who became his new nahual.

When Castaneda was asked why he hadn't announced them before, he replied that it was because Don Juan told him not to mention them to the public, but that with the miraculous return of the nahual woman, who had gone with the Death Challenger to another dimension of existence, that was a sign that the directives had changed.
 
In an interview, Castaneda said:  "The return of the nahual woman marked a new, more public phase in the work of us four sorcerers. With Carol Tiggs's return, it was decided to lift the traditional veil of mystery and secrecy and present the sorcerers' teachings to a wider world. And in this spirit, Florinda Donner-Grau and Taisha Abelar wrote books describing their training."

In 1985, Florinda published a book titled 'The Witch's Dream,' and in 1991 she published another book titled 'Being in the Dream.' In these books, she recounted her encounter and initiation with Don Juan and his sorcerers.

In 1991 Taisha published a book entitled 'Where the Witches Cross' where she also recounted her encounter and initiation with Don Juan's group.

Starting in 1993, Castaneda and his witches began to give workshops to the public where they mainly taught tensegrity and also gave talks where they told about their lives and also their experiences with Don Juan and his witches.

For example, from March 1 to 3, 1996, an exclusive workshop for women on "The Female Energy Body" was held at UCLA.

There Castaneda declared: “Don Juan could never have addressed a group like this tonight because he was only interested in himself and his group, but things changed for us when Carol Tiggs returned after a ten-year absence. Her return changed everything.”

Carol claimed to have spent so much time in other worlds that this one felt strange to her.

Castaneda then exclaimed, “People used to say I invented Don Juan!” Then, gesturing with his arm and pointing to the front row where the witches were sitting, he said, smiling and with a look of horror at the same time, “Well, I couldn’t possibly invent these creatures! Invent Carol Tiggs? I’d be terrified!”






THE END

And so they continued with their workshops until Castaneda died on April 27, 1998, due to liver cancer.

Taisha and Florinda disappeared the next day and were never heard from again (it is suspected they committed suicide). Joanie walked away. And Carol took over the company Castaneda founded to market his teachings.






VERIFICATION

Historical data shows that virtually everything Carlos Castaneda and his witches claimed was a lie. Furthermore, Castaneda pretended they were merely his personal disciples, but in reality, they were his principal lovers.