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BOOK 'THE SECRET LIFE OF CARLOS CASTANEDA" BY MANUEL CARBALLAL





Manuel Carballal is a respected Spanish researcher specializing in the paranormal, and in 2018 he published the book "The Secret Life of Carlos Castaneda ".




PROMOTION

Carballal made the following videos to promote his book:




 







INDEX

Acknowledgments
Foreword by Javier Sierra
Reader warning
Introduction


PART I: THE ANTHROPOLOGIST

The Castaneda Mystery: An Unfathomable Subject of Study. The Painter of Words – In Europe… Too – Castaneda in the 21st Century – Castaneda, Science, and Culture – But… Who Was Carlos Castaneda Really?

Siberia: The Origin. The Night of the Woman of Knowledge.

Castaneda's work: The Gospels of the Nagual.

Book 1 “The Teachings of Don Juan”: Finding Your Place – Mezcalito – The Four Enemies – The Path with Heart – Flying Like a Crow – The Warrior’s Path – A Closed Work.

Book 2 “A Separate Reality”: The Luminous Egg – Infiltrated Allies – The Controlled Folly.

Book 3 “Journey to Ixtlan”: Stopping the world – Erasing personal history – Losing personal importance – Death as an advisor – The art of dreaming – Non-doing – A worthwhile adversary – Don Genaro travels to Ixtlan.

Book 4 “Tales of Power”: The Double – The Tonal and the Nagual – The Leap into the Void.

Book 5 “The Second Ring of Power”: The Toltec Tradition - The Art of Dreaming and the Art of Stalking. Motherhood and Witchcraft.

Book 6 “The Eagle’s Gift”: Sorcerers are celibate – The Nagual woman – The Eagle – More controlled folly – The recapitulation.

Book 7: “The Inner Fire”: The Petty Tyrants – The Inorganic Beings – The Assemblage Point – The Death Challengers.

Book 8: “Silent Knowledge”: The Attempt – The Memory of the Sorcerers - Magic versus the Art of Stalking – Pachita.

Book 9: “The Art of Dreaming”: Witches appear – Beings from other worlds – The blue explorer.
 
Book 10: “The Inner Silence”: The Magical Passes.

Book 11: “Magic Passes”: Tensegrity.

Book 12: “The Active Side of Infinity”: The Predators

Book 13: “The Wheel of Time”.

The Warrior's Way: Readers of Infinity
The interviews with Carlos Castaneda.
Witches Speak – Florinda Donner, her book “Being in the Dream” – Taisha Abelar, her book “Where Witches Cross” – Carol Tiggs.



PART II: SORCERER 

Mexico: Peyote. The Blue Deer – The Peyote Ritual – Temazcal: The Maternal Womb – The Journey – Did I Really Fly?

Concha Labarta. Castaneda Returns to Spain - Meeting the Nagual - Chosen by the Nagual: The Game of Vanities - The Rise in the Sorcerer's World… and in Journalism - The Magical Passes in the Forests of Galicia - 1996: The Disenchantment - Devotion Beyond Death



PART III: THE SPY

The diableros of Haiti. Face to face with Astaroth.

PSYOPS: Witchcraft as a weapon. Castaneda and the CIA – The secret files – The testimony of Uri Geller – Andrija Puharich: the CIA's parapsychologist – The sacred mushrooms – Andy Puharich: “My father wasn't afraid” – A movie spy.



PART IV: THE PROPHET

Peru: Journey to the depths of the mind. Journey to the world of spirits.
The Nahual Carlos. The Secret Life of Carlos Castaneda.

1920s: The birth of a prophet. Lucy: the sister of the black man – Born out of wedlock.

1930s: Fashturito. The Vélez boy, from the book “ The Active Side of Infinity ” – A promising footballer named Castaneda – The grandfather's farm: where the (en)dreams begin – Cuevita: the introducer of hypnosis – Witchcraft.

1940s: Move to the capital. A poor student – ​​The School of Fine Arts – The family reunites.

1950s: First marriage and first daughter. Heading to the US – And while the family grows… - Byron, Oscar, Carlos: Three inseparable friends – Early years in the US – Psychology, creative writing and journalism at the LACC – Spiritualism, hypnosis, theosophy and witchcraft – Don Juan, ten years before don Juan – An American named Carlos Castaneda – Margaret, his second wife – Huxley+Rhine=Puharich.

1960s: Second marriage and second child. Frankenstein, or the true identity of don Juan Matus – A child by order and a sham divorce – Castaneda meets Leary – Castaneda in Berkeley – Interview with Dr. Claudio Naranjo – Castaneda loses his second family – Castaneda and Mario Vargas Llosa in Berkeley – The government conspires in favor of Castaneda – The publication of “The Teachings of don Juan”.

1970s: Castaneda SuperStar. Florinda Donner… the hummingbird – A separate reality… or two – It wasn't me, it was my double – The revelation of Time – Ulrich Thal meets his “brother-in-law” Castaneda – The tales of power – Anthropology of consciousness: Castaneda and parapsychology – The singing Dominican and Pachita – Castaneda's adventure – Nury Alexander: the “blue explorer” – Witch metamorphosis – Costa Rica connection.

1980s: From Tulum to Costa Rica. Shabono – The Trip to Tulum – The Witches' Dream – La Gorda – Kylie aka Astrid: The Norwegian Valkyrie – Silent (Mexican) Knowledge.

1990s: The Mexican Connection. The “Einstein of Consciousness” – Grinberg versus Castaneda – The Disappearance of Jacobo Grinberg – Castaneda in Spain – Calixto Muni – The Goblin Ellis – The Explorers – The Year of the Marriages – Bruce Wagner – The Sunday Group – Candice and the Labyrinth of Names – Clear Accounts – The Gate of Heaven – The Stalkers – The Death of Carlos Castaneda.

2000s: Missing Women. Case Ready for Judgment – ​​The Two Carlos Castanedas – The Imitators – Conclusion – My Daydream…

Appendix: Name changes.

Literature







REVIEW

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EDITION OF THE MAGAZINE 'THE CRITICAL EYE' DEDICATED TO CARLOS CASTANEDA



The Spanish magazine 'El Ojo Crítico' (The Critical Eye), directed by researcher Manuel Carballal, produced a special publication dedicated to Carlos Castaneda, entitled:

 "Monographic No. 3: Carlos Castaneda file"




INDEX

  1. Letter to Kylie Lundahl
  2. The cultural legacy of Carlos Castaneda
  3. This is how wizards and witches speak
  4. Interview with Carlos Castaneda
  5. Collateral damage
  6. The Twilight of the Nahual
  7. Castaneda's Spanish Connection
  8. The Last Friends of Carlos Castaneda
  9. Castaneda: hallucinations among Indians
  10. My husband Carlos Castaneda
  11. Carlton Jeremy: A child by order
  12. Castaneda's life year by year
  13. The true identity of Don Juan Matus
  14. The Confidential Letters of Carlos Castaneda
  15. Bulletin board
  16. Jacobo Grinberg: life, work and mystery
  17. The Adventures of Carlos Castaneda
  18. The Testament of Carlos Castaneda
  19. Introduction to the Secret Life
  20. The complete lineage of the Castaneda saga





MORE DETAILS ON THESE TOPICS

Letter to Kylie Lundahl

Kylie Lundahl was the leader of the tensegrity instructors and one of Castaneda's closest disciples.




Castaneda's cultural legacy

Nearly 25 years after his death, Castaneda's cultural legacy lives on in TV series such as "Invisible City," "The OA," "Behind Their Eyes," and others. It's also present in films like "Museo" (2018), where direct references to his work are made. And in 2021, "The Spot," the first animated series based directly on his books, premiered.




This is how witches and warlocks speak

In the 21st century, adults, children, and teenagers unknowingly use GIFs, memes, and WhatsApp statuses on their phones and social media every day, taken from the books of Carlos Castaneda. We've extracted the best quotes, maxims, and sayings from Castaneda's work and his witches.




Interview with Castaneda

One of the most persistent myths surrounding Castaneda is that he didn't give interviews. That's not true. We've compiled dozens and dozens of interviews from newspapers and even radio, in which Castaneda personally explained his experiences. This is one of them…




Collateral damage

Castaneda's books, unintentionally, have become a justification for crimes and suicides committed by people who radicalized his teachings or misinterpreted them. The Janice Emery case is one of the most shocking.




The Twilight of the Nahual

The testimony of Carlos Fernández, martial arts expert, after participating in the Tensegrity workshops in Los Angeles, along with Carlos Castaneda, Florinda Donner, Tycho Thal, Taisha Abelar, Carol Tiggs and other Cleargreen managers.




Castaneda's Spanish Connection

Carlos Castaneda always had a very close relationship with Spain. The Spanish group of Castaneda's disciples was the most important, along with those in Mexico and Los Angeles. He traveled to Spain on many occasions with several of his witches to meet with actors, intellectuals, or disciples… to shop at the Rastro flea market in Madrid or to do some sightseeing in Toledo.




Castaneda's Last Friends

Ybrahim Luna interviews Carlos Castaneda's last schoolmates and childhood friends. One of them is also the only real person who appears in Castaneda's books using his real name. A historical look at Castaneda as a child.




Hallucinations among Indians

Chris Aubeck, with this critical review of the work of Carlos Castaneda, published in  El Ojo Crítico , generated unexpected reactions… such as the research that would end up giving rise to the first biography of Castaneda written in the world.




 Castaneda 's second  wife

For the first time, the testimony of Margaret Runyan, Carlos Castaneda's second wife, translated into Spanish. Runyan reveals previously unknown personal and biographical details about her husband.




A child by order

For decades everyone believed that Carlton Jeremy Runyan Castaneda was Castaneda's only biological son, however the information that was made public during the trial for Castaneda's inheritance revealed the truth… much more surprising.




Castaneda's life year by year

The key lies in the chronology of events. Manuel Carballal summarizes the key events in Castaneda's life, year by year, in order to understand the origin of his information and his decisions.




The true identity of Don Juan Matus

For more than half a century, anthropologists, scientists, journalists, and ordinary readers obsessed with Castaneda's work searched for Don Juan Matus, the protagonist of his books. Today, we are able to put a name and face to Don Juan and the other protagonists of the saga.




Castaneda's Confidential

“Iker Jiménez and Castaneda”, “Castaneda’s first official website”, “Castaneda and UFOs”, “Carol Tiggs: the heiress” or “Castaneda, Jodorowsky and Twitter”, are some of the Confidential articles in this edition.




Jacobo Grinberg

A key figure in understanding Castaneda's final years, Jacobo Grinberg is an enigma in himself. A neuroscientist and professor at UNAM, after his mysterious disappearance in 1994, Mexican police followed the trail of Castaneda and his witches.




The Adventures of Castaneda

A graphic representation of the adventures of Carlos Castaneda, faithfully inspired by his early books. Comic book.




Castaneda's Testament

Following his death in 1998, a legal battle ensued over Castaneda's multimillion-dollar inheritance. During the trial between the Runyan family and Cleargreen's disciples, previously unpublished and surprising information about Castaneda's life came to light. This is the New York Times' extensive account of the proceedings.




Beginning of the book 'The Secret Life of Carlos Castaneda'

Introduction, warning, prologue and first chapter of “The Secret Life of Carlos Castaneda”, the first complete biography of the enigmatic author of “The Teachings of Don Juan”.




The complete lineage of the Castaneda saga

For the first time, the complete lineage of all the nahuales that preceded Castaneda and the main characters who interacted with him.






VIDEO

Promotional video for that file.






Link for those interested in purchasing this file: link.







THE ENCOUNTER THAT MANUEL CARBALLAL HAD WITH CARLOS CASTANEDA

 




Manuel Carballal is a respected Spanish researcher specializing in the paranormal, and in an interview with Santiago Camacho, he recounted his encounter with Carlos Castaneda.



Carballal:  I met Concha Labarta in very curious circumstances, it was at a congress that had been held in Valencia on spiritism, where several researchers attended to give talks, and talking with her the topic of shamanism came up.

I have always been very interested in shamanism because I was an avid reader of Carlos Castaneda as a child, that is, long before I had the good fortune to meet the Nagual personally, which is how we reverentially referred to Castaneda, I had already read all his books and several times.

I became friends with Concha and we stayed in touch. She worked at the magazine "Más Allá". Later I discovered that she was the one who led the group of Carlos Castaneda's followers in Spain.


What happened in 1994 is that one day Concha called me and said: "Look, next Tuesday the Nagual will be in Spain and a very exclusive meeting will be organized, but he has allowed me to invite some people."

And he invited Javier Sierra and me. Javier was his desk mate at the "Más Allá" newsroom.

I immediately took the first bus I could to go to the offices of "Más Allá", which was quite an epic journey because from Galicia, where I live, I had to combine buses and trains until I finally arrived near Majadahonda [which is a Spanish municipality belonging to the Community of Madrid].

I arrived at a venue very close to the "Más Allá" offices, in a restaurant where they had rented the back area. There were approximately 50 of us in total.

Because the mere fact of being able to see Carlos Castaneda in person was like being offered the chance to attend a meeting where you could see your greatest idol, the person you admire most in the world, and you would finally have the opportunity to see them. In Castaneda's case, this was something few had achieved because he remained very secretive; he didn't allow himself to be photographed or recorded, and he gave few interviews. So, that fact alone made you feel chosen.

And that's part of that Machiavellian game of emotions that existed in the whole world of Castanedaism, because simply having the chance to shake his hand, to see him, to hear him in person, made you feel chosen. Many would have done crazy things to meet Castaneda, so Javier and I were blown away.

And what happened was that Castaneda gave his talk but he was also accompanied by several witches, among them Kylie Lundahl, a six-foot-tall valkyrie, a spectacular woman, she was Castaneda's escort, so to speak.



And these witches (Taisha Abelar, Florinda Donner and Kylie) while people were there listening to the Nagual, they passed among us as if they were watching something; according to their belief system, they were examining our energy egg.

Being examined has always made me very nervous, but to put it simply, it's like having your aura clairvoyantly observed. And their inspection was intended to detect, through our energetic bodies, potential candidates to become shamanic warriors.


I can't speak for the others, I don't know what the others did, but when the event ended I ran to the bathroom and started writing down everything I could remember, because they didn't let us take notes or record.

Then I returned home, of course completely amazed, and after a couple of days I received a call from Concha who told me: "The Nagual was talking to the witches and they have said that they want you to join the personal group in Spain, so that you can continue the path of the warrior, they have seen your energy egg and the Nagual agrees."

And that's how I entered Castaneda's world: through the front door. So grand, in fact, that they did something to me I've never seen them do to anyone else, and believe me, I've read everything published about Castaneda, but in no other account, in no other testimony, have I found that they did the same to anyone else as they did to me. Because people were killing each other to get access to the most secret information they possessed.



Santiago: There's something you haven't mentioned but that I think is very significant, and that is that after that talk that Javier and you attended, there was a question period, and I think that your behavior at that moment was what motivated them to choose you, and that later Castaneda asked about you.



Carballal: Yes, of course, imagine you're Christian and you can travel back in time and attend Jesus' Sermon on the Mount. Imagine a Christian having the opportunity to be face to face with Jesus Christ. Well, that's what Castaña was like for us. 

So imagine Jesus finishing his sermon and saying: Any questions?

Well, nobody dares to raise their hand and ask him.

And that's what happened at that meeting, when the time came for questions and Castaneda said if anyone had any questions, nobody raised their hand, but since I'm a bit reckless, I raised my hand, and I remember Concha glaring at me, a look that exclaimed "how dare you ask the Nagual directly," which was like asking God.

And I also asked him a question that was completely outside his usual topic because I asked him about UFOs.

I remembered that in one of his books, in the second book when he talks about his trips to the Sonoran Desert with Don Juan Matus, he recounts a couple of episodes in which he says they saw some strange lights in the desert that chased them.

And I remember that Castaneda didn't understand the question, so he was a little taken aback, which was understandable since Castaneda had never been asked about the UFO topic before, so I had to insist and insist three or four times until he answered me.

And I imagine that that audacity, that reckless act of daring to bother the Nagual, was what truly motivated them to become interested in me, and not my luminous egg, which I think is quite ordinary.



Then my warrior training begins, and the first thing you have to do is find your place of power, which is one of the practices that already appears in Castaneda's first book, my magical place, let's say, and there I carried out the recapitulation process that lasted several months.

Recapitulation is an exercise I used to do every morning when I woke up in the middle of the forest in A Coruña. The first thing I did on an empty stomach was to relive every event of my life backwards, because according to Castaneda's shamanic teachings, that's what allows you to disconnect from those memories that can drain your energy.

And once the recap was completed, what followed was what, from that year onwards, began to be taught initially very secretly to very small groups: 'the magic passes'.

At that time it was very difficult to access that, but in my case it was absolutely disconcerting because I didn't have to go and learn the magic passes, but two of Castañeda's witches in Spain told me that they were coming to my house for a week to teach them to me personally.

And that was absolutely incredible because I haven't heard of anyone else being offered the privilege of having them taught at home.






VIDEO

In this video you can listen to the transcript I put above starting at minute 41:55.









HIS DESCRIPTION OF CASTANEDA

In another broadcast, Carballal described Castaneda as follows:

« Castaneda commanded a lot of respect. He was very short: one meter fifty-seven, he was of Latin American origin with a very dark skin, his family called him César the black precisely because of the dark tone of his skin, it's not that he was mulatto but he had a markedly Latin skin tone.

He was very magnetic, very wiry, very muscular; you could tell he was a very athletic guy, very physically active.

He was an absolutely irresistible charmer, not only with women, but also with his stage presence. I remember him chatting nonstop, moving energetically all over the stage. »








DESPITE HIS FORTUNE CARLOS CASTANEDA WORKED LIKE A POOR MAN FOR SEVERAL YEARS







Carlos Castaneda recounted that after Don Juan's departure, a woman named Florinda, also known as 'the Toltec woman',  became the new leader of Castaneda's group and his companions .

And given the fame Castaneda had gained from the success of his books, Florinda, in order to lower his ego, ordered Castaneda to work as if he were a poor man, and he did so for three years.

And here I'm going to put the information I find about this event.




STORY BY JACOBO GRINBRG

The Mexican scientist Jacobo Grinberg was a friend of Castaneda, and he recounted the following about this event:

« Castaneda told us that Florinda the Elder had forced him, as an antidote to his sudden fame, to work as a cook in a restaurant.

For a year, Castaneda made hamburgers, accompanied by a woman who was a devoted reader of his books. This woman wanted to meet Carlos Castaneda in person, unaware that he was right beside her.

On one occasion, a large Cadillac pulled up in front of the restaurant with a man inside writing something in a notebook. The woman was sure it was her idol and told the cook who was with her, Castaneda, who was laughing his head off. »







THIS STORY TOLD BY CASTANEDA HIMSELF

In 1982, teacher  Graciela Corvalán interviewed  Castaneda, and about Florinda, she wrote the following:


« One of the many jobs was cooking in those roadside cafes. La Gorda accompanied me that year as a waitress. We spent more than a year traveling around like Joe Córdoba and his wife!"

"My full name was José Luis Córdoba, at your service," he said, bowing deeply, "although everyone knew me as Joe Córdoba."

Castaneda didn't tell us the name or location of the city where they lived. It's possible they were in several places. It seems that initially, he, La Gorda, and Mrs. Tolteca arrived, and Mrs. Tolteca stayed with them for a while. Their first priority was finding a house and work for 'Joe Córdoba, his wife, and his mother-in-law'.

"That's how we introduced ourselves," Castaneda commented, "because otherwise people wouldn't have understood such a strange trio."

They searched for work for a long time, until they finally found it in a roadside cafe.

"In that type of establishment, you start very early in the morning; you have to be working by five in the morning," he told us.

Castaneda told us, laughing, that in those places the first thing they ask you is: "Do you know how to cook eggs?"

What could "making eggs" possibly mean? It seemed to take him quite a while to figure out what they were trying to tell him until he finally realized it referred to the various ways of preparing eggs for breakfast. In truck stops or restaurants, "making eggs" is a big deal.

They worked like that for a year. "Now I really know how to make eggs!" she exclaimed, laughing. "As many as you want!"

La Gorda also worked a lot and she was such a good waitress that she ended up taking charge of all the girls.

After a year, when Mrs. Tolteca told them "that's enough, that task is over," the owner of the cafeteria didn't want to let them leave.

"The truth is that we worked very hard there, very hard! From morning till night," Castaneda confessed to us.



Terry

During that year they had a significant encounter. It's the story of a young woman named Terry, who came to the coffee shop where they were, asking for a job as a waitress.

By that time, Joe Córdoba (that is, Carlos Castaneda) had gained the trust of the owner of the establishment and was in charge of hiring and supervising all the staff.

Terry told them she was looking for Carlos Castaneda. How could she have known they were there? Castaneda didn't know.

"This girl Terry," Castaneda continued sadly, implying that she looked dirty and disheveled, "is one of those hippies who take drugs... A dreadful life. Poor thing!"

Castaneda would later tell us that although he was never able to tell Terry who he was, Joe Córdoba and his wife helped her a lot during the months she spent with them.



Anecdote

Castaneda told us that one day Terry came very excited from the street saying that she had just seen Carlos Castaneda in a Cadillac parked in front of the cafeteria.

"He's there!" she shouted to us. "He's in the car, writing!"

"Are you sure it's Carlos Castaneda? How can you be so convinced?" I asked her.

But she continued: "Yes, it's him, I'm sure of it!"

Castaneda then suggested that he go to the car and ask him. He had to get rid of that immense doubt.

"Come on! Come on!" he insisted.

She didn't dare to talk to him because she said he was too fat and very ugly.

Castaneda encouraged her, saying, "But you look divine, go on!"

She finally went, but returned immediately in tears. It seems the man in the Cadillac hadn't even looked at her and had sent her away, telling her not to bother him.

"Can you imagine how I tried to comfort her?" Castaneda told us. "I felt so sorry for her that I almost told her who I was, but the Fat Lady wouldn't let me; she protected me. I really couldn't say anything to her because I was carrying out a task in which I was Joe Córdoba and not Carlos Castaneda, and I couldn't disobey that rule."



Notes

Castaneda told us that when Terry arrived she wasn't a good waitress, but as the months passed they managed to make her good, clean and careful.

"La Gorda gave Terry a lot of advice. We took good care of her... She never imagined who she was with all that time."


And she also told us that the experience was terrible:

" During that time we went through moments of great deprivation during which we were mistreated and abused. More than once I was about to reveal who I was, but... 'Who would have believed me! ' said Castaneda . '  Besides, the Toltec woman is the one who decides.'"

"That year," he continued, "there were times when we were reduced to the bare minimum: we slept on the floor and ate only one thing . "




More stories from Joe Cordoba

Castaneda told us that one day the Toltec lady came and told them that they were not working hard enough.

"She sent us to organize a fairly large landscaping business, something like garden design and maintenance.  This new task for Mrs. Tolteca was no small feat. We had to hire a group of people to help us with the work during the week, while we were at the café. And on weekends we dedicated ourselves exclusively to the gardens. We were very successful!"

La Gorda is a very enterprising person. That year we worked incredibly hard... During the week we were at the coffee shop, and on weekends it was all driving the truck and pruning trees. The demands on Toltec women are immense!

I remember that on one occasion we were at a friend's house when journalists arrived looking for Carlos Castaneda. They were journalists from the New York Times.

Trying to go unnoticed, Gorda and I started planting trees in my friend's garden. From a distance, we saw them going in and out of the house. That's when my friend yelled at us and verbally abused us terribly in front of the journalists.

It seems Joe Córdoba's wife could yell at them without consequence. None of those present came to our defense. Who were we? Just a bunch of poor people working in the sun!

That's how my friend and we tricked the journalists.


However, I couldn't fool my body. For three years we were engrossed in the task of giving my body experiences that would make it realize that, in truth, we are nothing.

The truth is, it's not just the body that suffers; the mind is also accustomed to constant stimuli. The warrior, however, has no external stimuli; he doesn't need them. What better place, then, than where we were! There, no one thinks!



Continuing with the story of their adventures, Castaneda commented that more than once he and La Gorda were kicked out onto the street. "Other times, traveling by truck on the highway, they would push us to the side of the road. What choice did we have? It was better to let them pass!"

From everything Castaneda had been telling us, it seems that the task of those years had to do with "learning to survive in adverse circumstances" and with "the experience of discrimination." The latter, "is something very difficult to endure but very informative," Castaneda concluded calmly.

The goal of this exercise is to learn to detach oneself from the emotional impact of discrimination. The important thing is not to react, not to get angry. If you react, you're lost.

"One doesn't get offended when a tiger attacks," he explained, "one simply steps aside and lets it pass."


"Another time, Gorda and I found work in a house, she as a maid and I as a butler. You can't imagine how that ended! They kicked us out onto the street without pay. What's more, to protect themselves from us in case we protested, they had called the local police. Can you imagine? We were imprisoned for nothing!"

That year, Gorda and I spent it working incredibly hard and enduring great hardship. Many times we had nothing to eat. The worst part was that we couldn't complain and we didn't have the support of the group. We were alone in that endeavor and couldn't escape. In any case, even if we had been able to reveal our identities, no one would have believed us. The task is always all-consuming.

"Truly, in those years I was Joe Córdoba," Castaneda affirmed, emphasizing his words with his whole body, "and this is very beautiful because I can't fall any lower. I've already reached the lowest point there is to reach. That's all I am." With these last words, Castaneda touched the ground with his hands.


"As I told you before, each of us has different tasks to fulfill. The Genaros are very clever; Benigno is in Chiapas now and he's doing very well. He has a band: Benigno has a wonderful gift for imitation; he imitates Tom Jones and many others. Pablito is the same as always, he's very lazy. Benigno is the one who makes the noises and Pablito celebrates them. Benigno is the one who works and Pablito collects the applause."

"Now," he concluded, "we have all finished the tasks we were doing and are preparing for new ones. The Toltec lady is the one who commands us."




Comments from the interviewer and her friends

The story of Joe Córdoba and his wife had impressed us greatly. It was a very different experience from those in his books. We were interested to know if he had written or was writing anything about Joe Córdoba.

"Why don't you write about this? Of everything you've told us, Joe Córdoba and his wife are what have impacted me the most."

"I have just delivered a new manuscript to my agent," Castaneda replied, "and in that manuscript, the Toltec lady is the one who teaches. It couldn't be otherwise... Its title may well be 'Stalking and the Art of Being in the World.'"

All her teachings are contained there. She is responsible for that manuscript. A woman had to be the one to teach the art of stalking. Women know it well because they have always lived with the enemy; that is to say, they have always walked on tiptoe in a man's world. Precisely for that reason, because women have extensive experience in this art, the Toltec lady is the one who must impart the principles of stalking.

In this last manuscript, however, there is nothing concrete about the life of Joe Córdoba and his wife. I cannot write in detail about that experience because no one would understand or believe it. I can talk about it with very few people... But the essence of that experience of the last three years is in this book.


Returning to the Toltec lady and her modality, Castaneda told us that she was very different from Don Juan.

"She doesn't like me," he insisted, "but she does like Gorda. You can't ask a Toltec woman anything. Before you even speak, she already knows what to say. Besides, you have to be afraid of her; when she gets angry, she hits," he concluded, making many gestures that indicated his fear. »







ANOTHER INTERVIEW

I remember that in another interview Castaneda mentioned that the place was located near the border with Mexico and that Florinda had chosen this place because Latinos were heavily discriminated against in this  area, and in that way Castaneda was going to be continually despised.

And in this other interview Castaneda exclaimed that after this experience "he had lost any trace of ego."

If I ever find it, I'll transcribe it for you.







MY OPINION

Florinda supposedly put Carlos Castaneda in this situation to humble him, but historical data shows that Castaneda continued to have a very big ego; and knowing how much Castaneda loved to invent false stories, it is most likely that this story was also another lie, a product of his imagination.