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HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO REINCARNATE? (Charles Leadbeater's answer)

 
Charles Leadbeater in his book "Inner Life II" gave the following explanation (and in parentheses I added my comments):
 
 
THE INTERVALS BETWEEN LIVES
 
A certain amount of misconception exists among students with regard to the average interval which elapses between two incarnations. It seems probable that we misunderstood the information given on this subject in the early days of the Society, and the statements then made have been copied without comment even into some of the later books. Most of the closer students have come to know more or less accurately the facts of the case, but so far as I am aware nothing resembling a tabulation of averages for the various classes of egos has yet been published.
 
At the end of the chapter on the heaven-world (then called devachan) in Mr. Sinnett's monumental work Esoteric Buddhism, the statement is made that the whole period between death and the next physical birth varies greatly in the case of different persons, but rebirth in less than fifteen hundred years is spoken of as almost impossible, while the stay in devachan which rewards a very rich karma is said sometimes to extend to enormous periods.
 
This statement is based upon passages in the same letters from which is derived all the rest of this most interesting book, and there is no question whatever that Mr. Sinnett has quite accurately reported what was told to him.
 
(Contrary to what Leadbeater claims, Sinnett did make mistakes, and one of those mistakes was to ensure that it is almost impossible to be reborn before 1500 years; and that is why later Blavatsky and William Judge corrected that error by explaining that the 1500 years is only the general average, but that there are humans who reincarnate a few years after they have passed away and also there are humans who take several millennia.)
 
The same general idea is put forward by Madame Blavatsky in The Secret Doctrine (ii. 317): “Let us remember that, save in the case of young children and of individuals whose lives have been violently cut off by some accident, no spiritual entity can reincarnate before a period of many centuries has elapsed.”
 
(Blavatsky pointed out two exceptions, but there are more, such as: suicidal, heartless, very bad or extremely materialistic people, insane, etc.)
 
 
In those earlier days we took this fifteen hundred years as an average for humanity, but later investigations have clearly shown us that it could not have been meant exactly in that way. To make the statement square with the observed facts, it must be either greatly limited or greatly extended. If confined to a small group of the most advanced of the human race it would be approximately correct; and on the other hand, if it were extended to include not only humanity but the vast hosts of the deva kingdom, it might again be taken as coming very near to the truth.
 
(The devic kingdom does not incarnate as it does not have a physical body and Leadbeater is repudiating the teaching given by the masters on the basis of his "clairvoyant investigations" which turned out to be very wrong.)
 
In the case of the quotation from The Secret Doctrine the expression spiritual entities may be read as implying that Madame Blavatsky was speaking only of highly developed persons; but the passage from Esoteric Buddhism gives us fifteen hundred years almost as a minimum.
 
(As I pointed out, Sinnett was wrong, and Blavatsky is referring to humans in general since in The Key to Theosophy she wrote: “the term between two rebirths is said to extend from ten to fifteen centuries”, p.132.)
 
 
We are given to understand that the letters upon which Esoteric Buddhism was founded were written by various pupils of the Masters under Their general direction; and so, while there is plenty of room for inaccuracies to creep in (as we know that they have crept in) it is impossible to suppose that the writers did not know facts quite readily accessible to anyone who can watch the process of reincarnation.
 
We must remember that the letter was written not to the world at large but quite definitely to Mr. Sinnett, with possibly a view to the few others who were at that time studying with him. To state such an average for them would be reasonably exact, and perhaps this is what was done; but we certainly cannot accept it as the mean proportion for the whole human race at the present time.
 
(Here Leadbeater is already distorting the original teaching, but William Judge also pointed out that the average is around 1500 years, and in 14th letter of the Mahatma Letters, Master Kuthumi gave calculus that give an average of 1200 years, only that there he was covering a larger period of the fourth round.)
 
It is probably impossible to arrive at a really accurate average, for in order to do that it would be necessary to know at least approximately the number in each of the different classes of monads.
 
(If we consider what Master Kuthumi and his true disciples said, the current average is around 1200 to 1500 years.)
 
 
 
Something of the nature of an estimate for each of the main classes may be given, though even then it must be remembered that there will necessarily be wide individual variations on each side of it. Three principal factors have to be taken not account; the class to which an ego belongs, the mode in which he has attained individualisation, and the length and nature of his last life.
 
Let us then take up the various classes of humanity in their order, using the nomenclature decided upon by Mrs. Besant in the table facing page 213.
 
 
Lords of the Moon
 
At the head of that list appear the Lords of the Moon — those who attained the arhat level at some time or other during the evolution of the moon-chain. For that humanity, as for all others, seven paths open when they have attained the level assigned to their chain; and in this case one of those paths brought a certain proportion of the Lords of the Moon over to the earth-chain to direct the earlier stages of its evolution. All of these, however, have long since attained adeptship, and we need therefore take no account of them in the consideration of our present subject.
 
 
Moon-Men (First Order)
 
The next class is the first order of the Moon-men, and that is a class so large and varied that it will be necessary for us to discuss it in the several subdivisions given in the chapter on monads from the moon.
 
1st & 2nd class. The first class, as given there, includes those who even on the moon-chain were already on the Path; and the second class consists of those who were individualised in the fourth round of the moon-chain.
 
In our present chapter we need not consider either of these classes, since their members have attained adeptship, and so the question of incarnations and the intervals between them no longer concerns them.
 
(The adepts continue to reincarnate, the difference is that they have more and more control of that process and maintain their consciousness.)
 
 
3rd class. Those who attained individualisation in the fifth round of the moon-chain.
 
Among these, those who are already on the Path are usually taking a continuous succession of incarnations, so that for them the question of the interval between lives does not arise. If, however, they are for some reason not as yet taking the special series of lives which usually follows upon initiation, their intervals are very long — probably at the least fifteen hundred or two thousand years, or even more.
 
(It is false that humans who are already on the initiatory path carry out a series of rapid reincarnations, William Judge explained that they can skip a period in the Devachan and thus reincarnate quickly, but that can be harmful and only is do it exceptionally when circumstances require it.)
 
Though not so usual as the series of rapid incarnations, this does sometimes occur; for among the cases known to us those who passed the first initiation some considerable time ago, one ego has been taking successive incarnations in physical life ever since, with scarcely any break, while another has been away from physical life for two thousand three hundred years; and yet the result so far as progress on the Path is concerned seems to have been exactly the same.
 
(This is not true since in order to continue developing, you need to continue to be reincarnated.)
 
The apportioning of the different stages of a long interval like this varies considerably in different cases. The stay upon the astral plane is short, or the ego may even pass through it rapidly and unconsciously. Most of the time is passed in the highest level of the heaven-world, and then, after that is over, a certain proportion of conscious life in the causal body precedes the next descent into birth. This life of the ego on its own plane is at this stage only about one-tenth of the entire interval between the earth-lives. But this again is a matter in which no two instances are alike.
 
(This is false; Leadbeater greatly distorted the explanation given by masters.)
 
In the case of those who are approaching the Path the general interval is not far from twelve hundred years if the ego has been individualized slowly by intellectual development, and is therefore passing through its blissful experiences at the ordinary rate. If, however, the ego has been individualized suddenly by a rush of emotion or by a stupendous effort of will, and is consequently taking his bliss in the more concentrated form, his interval is about seven hundred years.
 
(This Leadbeater is making it up.)
 
Both these types are little likely to stay long upon the astral plane; probably five years represents for them an astral life of fair average duration.
 
(The masters explained that humans remain in the astral plane until what would normally have been their life on Earth ends, for example if someone was destined to live 90 years, but had an accident that killed them at 60 years, then he will remain in the astral plane for 30 years.)
 
At the other end of their stay in the heaven-world there most likely comes a certain period of conscious life in the ego on its own plane, but this does not exceed half a-century at most.
 
(Leadbeater said this asseveration, while Gottfried de Purucker said that the higher ego makes a journey through the sacred planets of the solar system. But the reality is that we have not yet been revealed that information about what happens with the higher ego, and I am very suspicious of these explanations given by those individuals, especially by Leadbeater because this guy was extremely liar.)
 
During their more recent lives we find that it has been the tendency of those people who take the normal interval of twelve hundred years to incarnate successively in the different sub-races. Often we find them running twice through the same set of sub-races, first in male and then in female vehicles, or vice versa.
 
(I don't see how Leadbeater could have observed that since his clairvoyance was nil and this is yet another example of his lies due to Master Kuthumi specifying that gender choice is largely a matter of random.)
 
The fates of various people differ greatly. Some go on steadily life after life, but nothing particular happens to them. Others are constantly in trouble, shock following shock; and yet both are advancing along the line which is best for them. It often happens that if a man dies young, he is born again in the same sub-race, and when a man goes round the sub-races twice, he usually takes the other sex on the second journey.
 
(He repeats that lie again.)
 
Broadly speaking, the Indians represent the first sub-race of the Aryan root-race, the Arabs the second, the Parsis the third, the Romance nations the fourth and the Teutons the fifth.
 
(Here Leadbeater makes the mistake of associating sub-races with a specific ethnic race, when in reality a sub-race is a set of a geographic population, for example Blavastky specified that the United States is the seed of the future sixth sub-race, and in this country there is a great variety of ethnic races.)
 
If a man takes a birth in France, he does not need one in Italy or Spain, and the same is true of Germany and England.
 
Students taking the seven hundred years interval seem to have more the habit of attaching themselves to one sub-race and returning to it whenever possible, and diverging into others only occasionally in order to develop special qualities. As a general rule successive incarnations in the same race intensify its characteristics; equilibrium is brought about by incarnating in various races, or by travel and living among different people. With regard to this matter, the idiosyncrasies of the ego play a considerable part.
 
I mentioned elsewhere how the strong prepossession in the mind of the Jews that they are a special and chosen people tends to bring them back into the same race; and pride of race generally, if unusually intense, is likely to work in that direction.
 
Even pride of family is not without its result also, and I have known of several cases in which, when abnormally developed, it has brought the ego back into the line of his direct descendants two or three times before he got free. In the beginning of these studies it was given to us as a general rule that a man usually takes not less than three and not more than seven incarnations in one sex before passing over to the other.
 
Although the many researches which we have since undertaken have to a large extent confirmed this general rule, they have also shown us a great number of exceptions to it, some people taking long lines of incarnations in one sex before turning to the other, and others for a time incarnating alternately in male and female bodies; but most of these were in the case of egos who were already advanced somewhat beyond the average, and were therefore probably receiving special treatment.
 
(Here Leadbeater continues with that lie and below I transcribe what exactly Master Kuthumi said so that you will see that Leadbeater is wrong.
 
"Generally a chance work, yet guided by individual Karma, — moral aptitudes, characteristics and deeds of the previous birth." ML 17, p.117.
 
And this is further proof that Leadbeater was not a disciple of Master Kuthumi since he says things contrary to what Kuthumi taught.)
 
Evidently there is no hesitation in modifying the general rule to suit particular cases, when for any reason that is seen to be desirable. Though the laws governing reincarnation are allowed to work mechanically upon the vast majority of undeveloped egos, it seems clear from the instances observed that as soon as any one ego makes a little progress of any sort and so becomes hopeful from the evolutionary point of view, considerable elasticity is introduced into the arrangements, and within certain definite limits he is born into the sex, race and conditions which are best suited to give him an opportunity of strengthening the weak points in his character.
 
In the case of men who have distinguished themselves greatly along artistic, scientific or religious lines, the interval is usually much the same, though the apportioning may differ slightly. The general tendency is to a longer astral and a shorter causal life, especially in the case of the religious and the artistic. A great philosopher sometimes enormously extends his life in the heaven-world; I remember that Madame Blavatsky has somewhere stated that Plato would be likely to stay away from earth for at least ten thousand years, though I imagine that this is an entirely exceptional ease.
 
(Surely Leadbeater is making this up too.)
 
 
4th class. Those who attained individualization in the sixth round of the moon-chain; typical examples of whom are the country gentlemen and professional men.
 
Their intervals vary greatly, say from six hundred to a thousand years, of which perhaps twenty or twenty-five may be spent upon the astral plane, and all the rest in various stages of the heaven-world. There is probably just a touch of consciousness in the ego on its own plane, but only a touch.
 
(This is false, as well as everything else he says below, and the reasons why it is false I will explain at the end.)
 
 
5th Class. Those who individualized in the seventh round of the moon-chain — the upper middle class. This class generally has an interval between lives of perhaps five hundred years, of which about twenty-five are passed on the astral plane and the rest in the heaven-world. In such a case there is no conscious life in the causal body, though of course, like all other human beings, they have the flash of memory and of prescience which is always vouchsafed to each ego when he touches his own plane between two physical incarnations.
 
 
Moon-men, Second Order
 
It is the bourgeoisie. Their interval between lives is commonly two hundred to three hundred years, of which about forty are usually spent upon the astral plane, and the rest in the lower levels of the heaven-world.
 
In this, as in all the other types, individualization may have been obtained by intelligence or by emotion, and there will be a corresponding difference in the average length of the intervals between successive incarnations, but in all these lower classes the difference caused by the mode of individualization is much less in proportion than in the higher class.
 
 
Moon Animal-men
 
The pioneers of the first round of the earth-chain, represented now by the skilled workers of the world. Such men have usually an interval between lives varying from one hundred to two hundred years, about forty of which are spent on the middle level of the astral plane, and the rest on some of the lower sub-planes of the heaven-world.
 
 
Moon-animals, First class
 
Now the un-skilled laborers. Their interval between lives varies from sixty to a hundred years, of which from forty to fifty are spent on the lower parts of the astral plane, and the remainder on the lowest division of the heaven-world.
 
 
Moon-animals, Second class
 
The drunkards and the unemployable. Such people are generally absent from the world some forty or fifty years, which they spend entirely on the astral plane — usually on the lowest subdivision but one.
 
 
Moon-animals, Third class
 
The lowest of humanity. Their interval between lives is often about five years, spent on the lowest sub-plane of the astral — unless they are earth-bound by crime, which not infrequently happens.
 
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(I am very distrustful about this classification of "the different classes of men" that Leadbeater put, which I suspect is another invention of that individual.
 
It is incorrect to associate the lunar monads with the different social and moral strata that exist in our society because there are thousands of reincarnations that have happened since then and therefore it does not make sense to do that.
 
To give you an analogy, it is as if Leadbeater had said that the child who finished with the best grades in the first year of elementary school is going to be a great entrepreneur, while the child who finished with the worst grades is going to be a delinquent.
 
And as you yourself can see, it does not make sense to say that because it takes a long time for these children to become adults and there are many other factors that also intervene.
 
And it is also false that the higher a person is on the social scale, the longer he will take to reincarnate again, and vice versa. And this is false because Master Kuthumi explained that the two main factors involved in the duration of Devachan are the amount of positive karma and psychic impulses generated during physical life.
 
In other words, the more you do good, and the more you experiment, and the more you develop, and the more you acquire knowledge; then the more you will accumulate that type of energy and the more you will remain in Devachan before reincarnating again.
 
And this is contrary to what Leadbeater says because for example, a bank manager who is rich but who spent his whole life working in a monotonous way and without paying attention to life, this individual is going to accumulate a small amount of that energy.
 
On the other hand, a poor person who spent his time studying in the public library, or who sought to develop spiritually, or who was interested in living life; this person will generate much more that energy and therefore will remain for much longer in Devachan than the general average of 1500 years, because his soul will require much more time to integrate all that energy of experiences, development and knowledge that he accumulated during his physical life.
 
And we can say something similar between a rich bad and a poor good.)
 
_ _ _
 
And Leadbeater ended by saying:
 
In all the cases mentioned above, a certain difference is produced by the mode of individualization, but this difference is much less in proportion in the lower classes. Still on the whole those individualized through intellect tend always to take the longer of the two intervals mentioned as possible for them, whereas those who come along other paths tend to take the shorter.
 
A third factor which exercises great influence is the length and nature of the individual life. Obviously an ego who casts aside his physical body in childhood has not had the opportunity in that body to generate a sufficient amount of spiritual force to keep him on the higher planes for the length of time common to his type.
 
Generally speaking, then, a man who dies young will have a shorter interval than his neighbor who lives to old age. Generally speaking, again, the man dying young is likely to have a greater proportion of astral life, because most of the strong emotions which work themselves out in astral life are generated in the earlier part of the physical existence, whereas the more spiritual energy which finds its result in the heaven-life is likely to continue until the end or near the end of the period spent upon earth.
 
(This is false, the human who dies young will usually stay longer on the astral plane because his energy body will continue to exist longer.)
 
The character of the man during his earth-life is a consideration of the utmost importance. Some men lead a long life in which there is scarcely anything of spirituality, and that naturally tends to shorten the interval between their incarnations and brings it far below what is common for their class. Probably, too, in such a case quite an undue proportion of the interval would be spent on the astral plane. The averages given, therefore, are only averages, and it must be clearly understood that a wide range on each side of them is usually possible, so that the various classes may considerably over-lap one another.
 
We have only recently come to understand the importance, in this regard, of strong mutual affection. From our study of past lives it has become clear to us that egos are closely associated in families or group, and that this connection tends on the whole to equalize the intervals between the lives of the members of such a group. It is evidently considered necessary that they should prepare for future work together by constant association as they evolve, and it is manifest that intervals which would otherwise be shorter or longer are so dealt with as to bring the entire party into incarnation together, not once but many times.
 
This unquestionably involves an increase or decrease of the rate at which the spiritual force discharges itself, and it is clear that this must be a matter of careful regulation by the Authorities in charge of evolution. Though we have not yet discovered the exact law which regulates it, there is little doubt that when we do we shall find that it works automatically, so that the maximum of result may be achieved without injustice to any individual concerned.
 
There seems to be a type of students who are always yearning to discover injustice in the working of the evolutionary machinery; but those who have spent many years in the investigation of the processes of nature know more and more certainly as they go on that injustice is an impossibility, and that any case in which we think we descry it is only a case in which our knowledge is as yet imperfect. Those who have probed the mysteries of nature most deeply are precisely those who have acquired the utter certainty that He who doeth all things doeth all things well.
 
(Section 7)
 
 
 
 
 
OBSERVATION
 
This is one more example of how Leadbeater misrepresented the original teaching and added many falsehoods to his neo-theosophy.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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